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Oldest person to summit

In the article it says

In 2004, the Spanish climber Carlos Soria Fontán became the oldest person ever to summit K2, at the age of 65.

correctly attributed to a climbing.com article. However, according to his Wikipedia article, Ichiro Yoshizawa was 74 years old when he did the second successful attempt ever. Year of birth can be found in various Japanese sources and the obituary published in the American Alpine Journal. I have to say, I find it hard to believe that he was the second person ever to climb that mountain at such an advanced age and even more surprised that climbing.com would not know that and incorrectly attribute the record to someone else. Can someone provide additional information or better sources? Oniichansugoi (talk) 12:47, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yoshizawa led the 1977 expedition, but did not himself summit. See his submission to the AAC about the expedition, or Appendix I in Jim Curran's book K2: The Story of the Savage Mountain ("At seventy-three years of age, I. Yoshizawa was the oldest person to reach the foot of K2.") As a "Fun With Statistics" aside, with 52 members and 7 total summits, that expedition technically carried a 13.5% summit ratio - or, if you include the 1500 porters, 0.45%! NekoKatsun (nyaa) 16:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Highest point in Pakistan?

I am aware K2 is located in Pakistan-administered Kashmir. Is it a correct fact to say that K2 is the highest point in the country since Pakistan controls the region?

Kashmir is disputed between Pakistan, India, and China.

As per the CIA World Facebook, this source considers K2 to be the highest elevation of Pakistan, while Kangchenjunga is considered to be the highest elevation of India.

However, I can see that K2 can be the highest point in either country depending on who is considered to have sovereignty over the area (even though Pakistan controls the part of Kashmir that K2 is in).

Is Wikipedia's reason against including this is because that would mean endorsing Pakistan's claim to the region? I know China also claims the region, but K2 wouldn't be the highest point in China given Everest is on the China/Nepal border.

I can see why complicated geopolitics makes determining the highest point in Pakistan or India a challenge! The United Nations not recognising any country's sovereignty also shows why this is a challenge. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 23:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking this discussion to talk as advised. Correct at this time, as in the article, is to state "administered" by Pakistan and "administered" by China. Other articles on Wikipedia should have wording similar to "the highest point in territory administrated by Pakistan" in reference to K2. The wikipedia community should strive to express by WP:Consensus WP:NPOV but at any one time on such WP:CTOP issues editors may have introduced PoV by choice of names, wording into articles and selected citations, and administrators actions may not have resolved all NPOV issues (which is why you were advised to make a comment on this page). Specifically your own good faith edits introduced PoV by missing out the qualifier administrated and using a source that may have PoV issues. The detail on geopolitical issues is best left to other articles, although there is a note in the article. The archived talk pages of this article and the talk pages of many historic contributors to this article contain much information that may be relevant to the reversions of your recent contributions. There is no time limit on resolving such issues, which in the case of this dispute has been ongoing since at least 2007 in Wikipedia. Many editors move on once they discover that the points you raise have been raised by others. Hope this is useful. ChaseKiwi (talk) 10:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a result of an August 2019 administrators-overseen consensus of WikiProjects India, Pakistan, and China we use "-administered" in all major subregions of the disputed region of Kashmir, their capitals; divisions, their capitals; districts, their capitals; and for other notable places. Although there wasn't anything specific about geographical features, it would be inconsistent if we said K2 was in Pakistan when the major subregion it lies in, Gilgit-Baltistan, says in its first sentence that it is administered by Pakistan. Other encyclopedias, such as Britannica use similar language. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies about two different usages of "administer." Fowler&fowler «Talk» 13:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]